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Teenage Kicks
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Mark said:
Here's a thread for ITV1's new sitcom Teenage Kicks, which starts not this Friday but next Friday.
To give you a flavour of what is to come I've published a fairly comprehensive guide to the comedy in our guide to Teenage Kicks. Check it out!
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
It always amazes even me how much info we get pre-broadcast.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, David Chapman said:
I thought this rang bells. It was on radio months ago.
It was quite funny but seemed to lack something and was a bit predictable at times. Like Ab Fab with a sex-change.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, feckless said:
I'd give this show a watch. I haven't seen Ade in anything for ages!
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Quote: feckless @ March 21, 2008, 12:26 AMI haven't seen Ade in anything for ages!
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Surely you prefer it that way?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, feckless said:
Honestly, the last time I saw him in anything was Young Ones. Oh, and a few rogue online eps of Bottom. I'm sure he's done stuff since then? Too lazy to imdb him at this hour.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Holby City.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, feckless said:
Quote: Aaron @ March 21, 2008, 9:50 AMHolby City.
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I think I'll skip that chapter and wait for TK. It sounds a little heinous.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, David Chapman said:
It's a drama about a Hospital. Not Holy City!
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Treenifer said:
Oh! I know something intresting regarding this.
I think "Nigel Smith" (as credited as writer) is Ben Elton's pen name. I went to the recording of two radio versions of 'Teenage Kicks', and Edmonson told the audience that Elton co-wrote, even though only "Nigel Smith" was credited. Bit of information there for anyone who cares.
Personally, I'm a bit apprehensive. All these Comic Strip (bar Rik Mayall) people doing new sitcoms/sketches seem to be lacking the power that gave them the edge in the era of alternative comedy. (I'm thinking of the new 'French and Saunders' stuff.)
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, David Chapman said:
Quote: Treenifer @ March 21, 2008, 6:49 PMOh! I know something intresting regarding this.
I think "Nigel Smith" (as credited as writer) is Ben Elton's pen name. I went to the recording of two radio versions of 'Teenage Kicks', and Edmonson told the audience that Elton co-wrote, even though only "Nigel Smith" was credited. Bit of information there for anyone who cares.
Personally, I'm a bit apprehensive. All these Comic Strip (bar Rik Mayall) people doing new sitcoms/sketches seem to be lacking the power that gave them the edge in the era of alternative comedy. (I'm thinking of the new 'French and Saunders' stuff.)
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I agree with you and I did listen to a couple of them on radio. Some funny lines but nothing as groundbreaking and dynamic as you could expect.
You have to accept that Elton, French, Saunders and Edmonson are now the establishment.
Rik Mayall seems a different kettle of fish though.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Quote: David Chapman @ March 21, 2008, 8:24 PMYou have to accept that Elton, French, Saunders and Edmonson are now the establishment.
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See, I don't agree with that. Yes they've done a handful of shows, to varying success, but they're not exactly hugely important, influential personalities. Or are they?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Treenifer said:
Quote: Aaron @ March 21, 2008, 9:10 PMSee, I don't agree with that. Yes they've done a handful of shows, to varying success, but they're not exactly hugely important, influential personalities. Or are they?
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Depends what you define as being 'The Establishment'. Considering you can't /actually/ be alternative, because there's no such genre anymore, every comedian could be counted as such.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, swerytd said:
Quote: Treenifer @ March 21, 2008, 6:49 PMOh! I know something intresting regarding this.
I think "Nigel Smith" (as credited as writer) is Ben Elton's pen name. I went to the recording of two radio versions of 'Teenage Kicks', and Edmonson told the audience that Elton co-wrote, even though only "Nigel Smith" was credited. Bit of information there for anyone who cares.
Personally, I'm a bit apprehensive. All these Comic Strip (bar Rik Mayall) people doing new sitcoms/sketches seem to be lacking the power that gave them the edge in the era of alternative comedy. (I'm thinking of the new 'French and Saunders' stuff.)
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Not sure he is. Nigel Smith wrote Vent and an *element* of that was written by Ben Elton (allegedly).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vent_(radio_series)
Dan
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Treenifer said:
Quote: swerytd @ March 21, 2008, 10:05 PMNot sure he is. Nigel Smith wrote Vent and an *element* of that was written by Ben Elton (allegedly).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vent_(radio_series)
Dan
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Good knowledge to know. I just haven't heard of him, and you'd think writing for an old hand like Adrian Edmonson he'd be well known.
No biggie.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, swerytd said:
Vent was *really* good (both series). Very clever and not really in the style of Ben Elton. The 'background' sitcom that they refer to, in contrast, was very 'Ben Elton' (though obviously a spoof). It's worth a listen if you get the chance.
Dan
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Treenifer said:
I will. If I can find it anywhere.
Read that article about the coma. Sad stuff. Also explains why he's not been around. Though, it is weird that no one mentioned him in the recording of the shows I was there for.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, swerytd said:
We went to see the radio shows being recorded and then the pilot for the TV show. All was funny and looking forward to the show (though it seems to have taken an *age* for it to finally get screened).
Dan
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Mark said:
Quote: swerytd @ March 22, 2008, 12:19 AMthough it seems to have taken an *age* for it to finally get screened
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It has been a while hasn't it... I guess the long-season of Moving Wallpaper meant it had to wait. It works out quite well though as it now gets to be coupled with the delayed Benidorm.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Deferenz said:
Quote: Aaron @ March 21, 2008, 9:10 PMSee, I don't agree with that. Yes they've done a handful of shows, to varying success, but they're not exactly hugely important, influential personalities. Or are they?
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I would agree with David Chapman's comments. Elton, French & Saunder, Edmondson are the big cheese who have all achieved their success and place in the comedy world. As for the comment on various success, I think more credit is due. In each of their endeavours they have brought us hugely successful comedy, the cream of which includes; The Young Ones, Blackadder, Absolutely Fabulous, Bottom, Vicar of Dibley.
I wouldn't say that anyone has to be a fan of the Elton & Co brigade, but I do think that they should get respect for what they have achieved in this genre and the position that they hold.
As for Mayall, as much as I like his work my feeling is that he has gone insane. I am kidding of course, but I worry that there may be a shred of truth to the idea. I have read comments elsewhere on people concerned about him and his actions since his quad bike accident.
Def.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Andrew M Bedell said:
I do feel that ITV are taking something of a risk putting this and Benidorm against torchwood.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, zooo said:
Luckily Torchwood's nearly finished.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Griff said:
Quote:Luckily Torchwood's nearly finished.
True in so many ways.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, zooo said:
You see that person poking you in the eye?
That's me that is.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, David Chapman said:
Quote: Deferenz @ March 28, 2008, 2:02 PM
As for Mayall, as much as I like his work my feeling is that he has gone insane. I am kidding of course, but I worry that there may be a shred of truth to the idea. I have read comments elsewhere on people concerned about him and his actions since his quad bike accident.
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I understand he suffers from epilepsy since the accident though.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Quote: zooo @ March 28, 2008, 3:30 PMYou see that person poking you in the eye?
That's me that is.
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Quote: David Chapman @ March 28, 2008, 4:35 PMI understand he suffers from epilepsy since the accident though.
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Then he truly is a dude. (I saw him as B'Stard a couple of years ago, in that play wot I can't remember the name of. Very good, very impressed.
)Quote: Deferenz @ March 28, 2008, 2:02 PMI would agree with David Chapman's comments. Elton, French & Saunder, Edmondson are the big cheese who have all achieved their success and place in the comedy world. As for the comment on various success, I think more credit is due. In each of their endeavours they have brought us hugely successful comedy, the cream of which includes; The Young Ones, Blackadder, Absolutely Fabulous, Bottom, Vicar of Dibley.
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I still maintain otherwise. Similar to persons like Galton & Simpson, they're well respected and revered by others. When they speak, people do listen. Yes they pop up on occasion in different shows, and Saunders has had a couple of vehicles recently, but they don't actually have any real influence any more. The real "big cheese" types at present are the likes of Merchant, Gervais, Bain and Armstrong, and a handful of commissioners. They make the comedy world move, they have real current influence and 'power', as t'were. The big cheeses.
No?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Richard Wells said:
It's pretty good and I will watch it again but the daughter kinda gets on my nerves.
To over the top.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, hotzappa11 said:
Oh, I really enjoyed that. I lol'ed a number of times. Ade & The Chinese character were great. I thought the son was a bit boring though.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Treenifer said:
Hrm. I'm guessing I shouldn't have watched it with the preverbial 'Rik/Ade' glasses on. I was aching to see some punches.
I think good, but not outstanding.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Quote: Richard Wells @ March 28, 2008, 9:57 PMIt's pretty good and I will watch it again but the daughter kinda gets on my nerves.
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Yes, the daughter, son and their friend all felt pretty awkward and somewhat forced. I think probably more the performance than the writing, so hopefully they'll settle into their roles.
Had me lol-ing quite a bit though, particularly towards the end. The first few minutes I thought it was going to be shite after all, so was pleasantly surprised.
Still, I can't see many other people around here liking it.
P.S. Abigail Cruttenden. Cor.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Richard Wells said:
Come on for an ITV comedy it was great LOL.
It was though in all seriousness.
Ade Edmondson is great and the line of the night.
Women are only ever after one thing but they won't tell us what it is.
LOL
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Rick Skelton said:
I thought it was really, really excellent. Coupled with Benidorm being much better than expected, it was a cracking night for ITV.
Ade Edmondson was as good as ever, it had some great one liners, some decent physical comedy and some nice chemistry. A very good start.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Treenifer said:
For ITV, certainly. Maybe it's just my hatred for main stream sitcoms.
Quote: Richard Wells @ March 28, 2008, 10:16 PM
Women are only ever after one thing but they won't tell us what it is.
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That was the highlight for me. That and realising I had the same pokemon duvet when I was little.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
So how old are you now, if you had such a duvet when you "were little"?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, hotzappa11 said:
"I have 2 CD's. Phil Collins."
"What's the other?"
"Phil Collins Volume 2."
I think that's right. That was one of my other favourite lines.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
The Best of Phil Collins (and vol 2).
I was hoping for something along the lines of "Volume two? I'm surprised they managed a first.", but alas, it never came.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Treenifer said:
Quote: Aaron @ March 28, 2008, 10:24 PMSo how old are you now, if you had such a duvet when you "were little"?
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Seventeen. By little I mean ten.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Rick Skelton said:
I laughed most at the "Hand on cock" joke, but I'm immature.
Loved the little bit of 'Bottom' when he booted the Chinese bloke under the bed.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Quote: Treenifer @ March 28, 2008, 10:29 PMSeventeen. By little I mean ten.
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Aha, ok then.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, David Chapman said:
I was out so I missed it but going back to the radio show it did seem a bit cliched.
Was it any good?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Read the past dozen or so posts.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, zooo said:
I missed the first half, cos I got all caught up in Torchwood. 
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
You saw the better part of the show then zooo. Basically though, he lives in the cupboard under the stairs in his kids' house since his wife chucked him out.
(Although as you're all-wise and all-knowing and omnipotent, no doubt you knew that already.)
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, David Chapman said:
The "Women are after only one thing" line was all over the trailers so they knew it was a good line.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Badge said:
Avoided this thread until I'd watched it, which I just have. Came on expecting people to have slated it but it just goes to show comedy is a funny matter of taste! I thought it was pretty poor, to be honest, but it did make me think again about the value of an audience - without the laughter I think most lines would have died on their individual arses. It seems to be aiming for the My Family audience, which isn't me to be fair, and it might end up being quite successful.
And yes, I thought this was a very funny line as well:
Quote: Richard Wells @ March 28, 2008, 10:16 PMWomen are only ever after one thing but they won't tell us what it is.
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...but Edmondson murdered it (ok, maybe manslaughter is fairer) by delivering it without a pause in the middle. It's funnier with a pause. Isn't it?
PAUSE
Isn't it?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Richard Wells said:
Nope I thought Ade delivered it in impeccible timing and done it fabulously.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, David H said:
It was okay. Certainly worth the effort. Didn't laugh, but smiled a few times. Probably quite an easy one to start with: a dating agency, and once the audience had laughed twice in the first couple of lines at nothing in particular you knew you were in for them laughing all the way through.
Few gripes. I hate the kind of monologue-type thing. "I'm 49, I'm this, I'm that and the other." You're told not to do that and just let the info seep out through the script. Also, I thought the girl's reactions to Vernon getting off with her lecturer were unbelievable. And his kids didn't seem to have any personality. The Chinese guy did a good job, but him appearing between them was the most obvious gag of the show.
The line mentioned several times on this thread was a very good one, but if they've shown it on the trailers so many times I'm sure it lost its appeal to many.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Quote: David H @ March 29, 2008, 9:57 AMI hate the kind of monologue-type thing. "I'm 49, I'm this, I'm that and the other." You're told not to do that and just let the info seep out through the script.
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There's a difference between having a character indulge in a random monologue as a way of plot progression and character development, and a realistic, depressed moan of a middle aged man after his wife leaves him, whether used as progression and/or character building or not. At the end of the day, it wasn't out of place with the character's predicament. Anywhere you're told or advised to steer clear of monologues is going to be in terms of discouraging laziness in establishing a show or setup, not a blanket ban if it fits.
Besides, as has been said elsewhere in the past week, rules are there to be broken.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Jack Massey said:
Just watched it. I liked it, but it has to be said, the audience were very generous with there laughter.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Mark said:
Quote: Jack Massey @ March 29, 2008, 2:05 PMJust watched it. I liked it, but it has to be said, the audience were very generous with there laughter.
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I agree with this. Particularly at the start when any minor joke would be drowned out by the laughter. Either the sound engineers are to blame, or the studio warm up guy actually did his job too well.
My thoughts on this first episode was that the first ten minutes were absolutely dire. Very basic 'set em up, knock em down' gags which I thought (and had hoped) had died out a long time ago...
Somehow though about ten minutes in it got much better. Quite likable. I think it was as Vernon started to get drunk... he almost started to turn into Eddie. I guess by that point the cast has started to relax into their roles too.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Tim Walker said:
Quote: Jack Massey @ March 29, 2008, 2:05 PMJust watched it. I liked it, but it has to be said, the audience were very generous with there laughter.
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Yeah, but studio audiences generally are. If you've been at any recordings there are people there who are determined to laugh no matter what. It's an event, the audience want the performers to succeed. This leads to even the weakest gags getting big laughs. Even on the fourth or fifth re-take.
I wonder if there are any shows that actually have to tone down the audience reaction because it's too extreme?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Mark said:
Quote: Tim Walker @ March 29, 2008, 2:46 PMI wonder if there are any shows that actually have to tone down the audience reaction because it's too extreme?
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Reportedly, I think on the My Family recordings, they've had to reduce the size of the audience because the laughs were becoming too distracting. (no comment). Aaron was at the same thing as me where it was mentioned, he might remember what show it was.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Treenifer said:
Quote: Mark @ March 29, 2008, 2:56 PMReportedly, I think on the My Family recordings, they've had to reduce the size of the audience because the laughs were becoming to distracting. (no comment).
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My lord. They must put marijuana in the ventilation system or something.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Tim Walker said:
But you can tell when you're in a studio audience that there are some people who deliberately laugh loudly (or weirdly) at certain less-than-funny gags, so they can tell all their friends, "That's me laughing, that is" when it's broadcast. Sad really.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, paul toft said:
my family is crap. meaning the "comedy" show
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Blenkinsop said:
Have to agree with your take on it Badge and I too expected it to get a rough ride but just goes to show.
I thought that the writing was fair enough but the performances were absolutely dire. In particular the son and daughter and in very particular the daughter.
AE himself wasn't too bad but he wasn't fabbo either, mind with him what you see is what you get. His performances always seem to have that sort of OTT quality.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Quote: Mark @ March 29, 2008, 2:56 PMReportedly, I think on the My Family recordings, they've had to reduce the size of the audience because the laughs were becoming too distracting. (no comment). Aaron was at the same thing as me where it was mentioned, he might remember what show it was.
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I think it was everything Hendrie and Brown do, before they start a new series they ask the sound engineers to get the laughter turned down. And it never happens. I think?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, swerytd said:
Quote: Mark @ March 29, 2008, 2:43 PMEither the sound engineers are to blame, or the studio warm up guy actually did his job too well.
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Well, the warm-up guy was Billy Whasisface (the old white-haired 'uncle' character who does a fair bit of warm-up at Teddington). He was alright to be fair, kept us entertained.
This was the pilot recorded *well* in advance of the rest of the series that was going to ITV to sell them the series. The actual series got recorded *so* much later it was unbelievable, so I'd give the second (and subsequent) episodes a chance before writing it off completely.
The funniest bit of the recording was just before the ad break in the show when Ade proclaims that 'if anything, I have *too* much sophistication' and then bent down to show us his bum crack. Two things: in the atmosphere of the recording this was very, *very* funny (which wasn't as good in the viewing of the show) but primarily, someone fucked it up majorly just at the end of the scene so it didn't get the on-screen laughter it deserved afterwards.
Overall, I really enjoyed the show. I think this is a perfect example of the 'studio audience' sitcom the BBC want (although they clearly missed out on this due to Michael Grade going to ITV). Whether it's what the viewers want anymore is another opinion...
Dan
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Interesting Dan, thanks! I thought that someone had said they'd been to see one recorded, but couldn't remember who.
I can't remember Billy's surname either, but in my experience, he is a man who would make a BBC News special on a spate of paedophilia seem hilarious.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, swerytd said:
Incidentally, Vernon's 'kids' in the radio version were much better, though at *that* recording they were some (quite attractive) lass from (my girlfriend tells me) Casualty and stand-up Spencer Brown. The girl was more authoritative than the TV version and Spencer didn't come across as as much of a twat as his son in the TV version, but they were both way too old to get away with being his kids on TV, hence the 'new' two.
Dan
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, earman2009 said:
Quote: Tim Walker @ March 29, 2008, 2:46 PM
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I am pretty sure that Graham Lineman once mentioned on The IT Crowd or maybe the Father Ted commentary that they had to tone done laughs because they went on fortoo long and you couldn't hear the character's next line. They had to do something similar on Friends as well.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, David Chapman said:
Quote: earman2009 @ March 31, 2008, 1:03 PMI am pretty sure that Graham Lineman once mentioned on The IT Crowd or maybe the Father Ted commentary that they had to tone done laughs because they went on fortoo long and you couldn't hear the character's next line. They had to do something similar on Friends as well.
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I can believe that about IT or Ted - but all they have to do with Friends is turn the volume down on the tape.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Treenifer said:
Quote: David Chapman @ March 31 2008, 11:32 PM BSTbut all they have to do with Friends is turn the volume down on the tape.
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It depends on whether the laughter reaches the studio's boommikes or not. If that happens, they can't 'turn down' the audience's laughter because some will still be picked up on the main tape.
Anyway, for Teenage Kicks (swiftly moving back to the topic) surely the producers would /want/ a large amount of laughter, to shout to through the television "HEY. THIS IS FUNNY. LAUGH DAMMIT." At least for the first episode.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Rick Skelton said:
Quote: Treenifer @ April 2 2008, 2:39 PM BSTIt depends on whether the laughter reaches the studio's boommikes or not. If that happens, they can't 'turn down' the audience's laughter because some will still be picked up on the main tape.
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I thought he was making a joke about canned laughter on Friends.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Bad dog said:
I just watched the repeat of this, and found it very agreeable. Normally I'm very hard to please, but it was a pleasant half hour and I laughed a few times, so I will be tuning in next time. The acting by the daughter wasn't as bad as some have said, she had quite a bit of dialogue and managed well, without resorting to CBBC-style mugging. (Compare her to, say, the asian wpc in the Thin Blue Line.) Not keen on the American-style breaks between scenes, showing the outside of the building with a musical 'sting', but I gather that's standard these days. Was Ade wearing a stunt stomach or has he put on a few pounds?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, zooo said:
Leave him alone! It's cuddly...
Men are weird though. They get the, er, loveable stomach, but they're still skinny everywhere else.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Quote: Bad dog @ April 2 2008, 10:36 PM BSTNot keen on the American-style breaks between scenes, showing the outside of the building with a musical 'sting', but I gather that's standard these days.
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I watched both the initial broadcast and the repeat and don't remember those at all!
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, zooo said:
I remember one shot of his house?
But maybe that's part of the opening credits.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Bad dog said:
OK, there were only a few of those breaks. But they are quite conspicuous if you watch a lot of older series (which don't do it), rather than the more modern stuff. Perhaps a modern audience doesn't notice them as much as they are part of the landscape now.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Griff said:
Quote:Not keen on the American-style breaks between scenes, showing the outside of the building with a musical 'sting', but I gather that's standard these days.
Yes they use these establishing shots a lot on Peep Show for example, i.e. a shot of the "JLB Credit" building before any scenes in Mark's hellish workplace.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Quote: Bad dog @ April 3 2008, 9:55 AM BSTOK, there were only a few of those breaks. But they are quite conspicuous if you watch a lot of older series (which don't do it), rather than the more modern stuff. Perhaps a modern audience doesn't notice them as much as they are part of the landscape now.
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My stupidly extensive DVD collection is 95%+ pre-1990.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Joey Matthews said:
It's pretty funny at times, it's actually nice to see ITV doing one for a change.
I don't think they hold a funny cast, as there's only two I actually find funny and one being the reason I actuallyed watched it. Ade's a legend in my family, brought up watching bottoms, the young one's etc
Time can only tell with me though, might grow on me more.
~Joey
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, hotzappa11 said:
Quote: Joey Matthews @ April 4 2008, 3:27 AM BSTbrought up watching bottoms.
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I really hope that's a typo.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Joey Matthews said:
Quote: hotzappa11 @ April 4 2008, 10:38 AM BSTI really hope that's a typo.
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I should watch what I type!
You know what I mean't though, honestly.. hehe =)
~Joey
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, David H said:
Well, it went from passable to running on empty and looking every inch the ITV sitcom.
More Bottom humour creeping in with the brick through the window three times. They did the yellow clothes 'gag' to death. Did she really ask if he put his cycling gear in the wash? (Someone should tell Adrian Edmondson that audiences are sophisticated. We can see what's happened without it being explained)
The Chinese guy went from being all right to OTT. And he had such long lines. I was bored halfway through him saying them. Vernon living in the cupboard is a thin joke stretched out. The bit with him cooking and cleaning was very laboured and his friend Brian is like a cardboard cutout. None of them are characters!
Finishing work and having to get up again was also done to death and done a hundred times better in The Simpsons. And how long did the montage go on for? 
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
I'm not going to be quite as scathing as that - and I was laughing a lot in the last five minutes or so - but it was certainly on a different tone to last week's show. VERY Bottom-esque with the brick (thought the cuts for it left a lot to be desired too), and somewhat so with polishing the silver as well. The no sleep gag wasn't handled too badly I thought, and I've certainly got no problem with such a basic concept being used in numerous shows. Montage extremely long, yes, but it got me laughing and generally illustrated the point quite well.
Generally, not great but not awful. Very much like last week in that it didn't start of particularly well, but built up - just took much longer.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Nick said:
I missed the first episode but tuned in last night and thought it was pretty poor. I wanted to like it as I've liked other things that Ade Edmondson has done but his is the only amusing character in the show. The children are awful, the friend is a cardboard cutout as has already been mentioned and the Chinese character belongs in a bygone era.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, hotzappa11 said:
It seems to get better in the second half and I still enjoy the Chinese guy. I thought the montage was handlded very well actually. The brick joke got tired after a while. I know there was only 3 but, you know.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
He didn't utilise the golden rule of three well enough either; same, same, twist. Having the last one coloured red as a final demand didn't really work.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Johnsy said:
i didn't think it was that bad, easy going friday night TV.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Rick Skelton said:
I thought it was OK. The Farfahquar joke was the one that was done to death, everything else was alright. the chinese guy was a real highlight and the kids loosened up a bit. I can see why some wouldn't like it, not 'clever' enough.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Eat_My_Shirts said:
Wow, this is bad. Not shockingly bad, but pretty damn bad. But I expect this kind of badness from ITV, so it’s understandable.
Whoever was in charge of the casting, is the biggest buffoon as far as this programme is concerned.
Vernon’s drinking buddy/friend - Who on earth thought that this guy would be well suited to a sitcom? He should be playing a bouncer or a bodyguard in a Guy Ritchie film, just grunting and beating people up. Or a washed out boxer. I mean he’s got the flat nose ‘n’ all.
The Chinese character - Dear oh dear oh dear....
The actor playing the Chinese character - Dear oh dear oh dear....
The son - An older, taller version of the annoying son from the equally terrible ‘After You’ve Gone’.
*shakes head*
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, catskillz said:
There was a strange bit near the start, where Ade Edmonson was talking in a voice just like Rik Mayall's character in Bottom.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Joey Matthews said:
Quote: Eat_My_Shirts @ April 5 2008, 9:10 PM BSTWow, this is bad. Not shockingly bad, but pretty damn bad. But I expect this kind of badness from ITV, so it’s understandable.
Whoever was in charge of the casting, is the biggest buffoon as far as this programme is concerned.
Vernon’s drinking buddy/friend - Who on earth thought that this guy would be well suited to a sitcom? He should be playing a bouncer or a bodyguard in a Guy Ritchie film, just grunting and beating people up. Or a washed out boxer. I mean he’s got the flat nose ‘n’ all.
The Chinese character - Dear oh dear oh dear....
The actor playing the Chinese character - Dear oh dear oh dear....
The son - An older, taller version of the annoying son from the equally terrible ‘After You’ve Gone’.
*shakes head*
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Unless I'm blind you've missed the girl? (his daughter)
She's the worst IMO, pretty much based of the daughter in "my family" and her approach seems to be similar too. (acting wise) I guess I know she wasn't listed though.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, David H said:
Forgot to mention the 'Nigella' impression too. Hasn't this been done by everyone who has impersonated her for the last five years?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Deferenz said:
Quote: Aaron @ April 5 2008, 11:11 AM BSTHe didn't utilise the golden rule of three well enough either; same, same, twist. Having the last one (brick)coloured red as a final demand didn't really work.
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I thought the red brick joke was actually quite funny and infact, one of the better jokes in the whole episode.
Def.
Quote: David H @ April 5 2008, 9:58 AM BSTWell, it went from passable to running on empty and looking every inch the ITV sitcom.
More Bottom humour creeping in with the brick through the window three times. They did the yellow clothes 'gag' to death. Did she really ask if he put his cycling gear in the wash? (Someone should tell Adrian Edmondson that audiences are sophisticated. We can see what's happened without it being explained)
The Chinese guy went from being all right to OTT. And he had such long lines. I was bored halfway through him saying them. Vernon living in the cupboard is a thin joke stretched out. The bit with him cooking and cleaning was very laboured and his friend Brian is like a cardboard cutout. None of them are characters!
Finishing work and having to get up again was also done to death and done a hundred times better in The Simpsons. And how long did the montage go on for?
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I am in agreement with these thoughts.
The problem is I really want to like this and I have tuned in for both episodes so far and no doubt will again. But I'm struggling to get to grips with it. Does it want to be Bottom, My Family or Mind Your Language? Perhpas a mix of all three or none of the above? I'm not sure.
Def.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Rockabilly said:
The curse of ITV ''comedy''.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, David Chapman said:
It isn't too bad - for an ITV comedy. You just expect more from Adrian.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Badge said:
Cos nothing else was on tonight I gave this an unexpected second chance.
Sadly, lame-and-a-half so far, and I won't get to part two.
Good luck to all who continue with it.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Pilot said:
Same here, did they bring in a ward of mental patients for the studio audience?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Treenifer said:
I don't know what's worse. That the sitcom's so awful or the fact that it's bound to be recomissioned just because Edmonson's a recognisable face. Darn ITV.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, swerytd said:
I still quite like it. It's nice that it's a bit 'old-fashioned'. Maybe I'm a romantic in that way...
Dan
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
If you are, then we'd make a perfect couple.
... And zooo just woke up.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, swerytd said:
If me and you were together there would only be a house-full of DVDs and nothing else...
Dan
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
This is true.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, swerytd said:
"Aaron! Where's the DVD player?"
"It's under the DVDs in the... somewhere..."
Dan
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
So true.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Daktari said:
Wow. I'm usually just a browser on this forum but I had to register JUST to say.....
I can't believe how many of you actually like this sitcom or, just as bad, think it's acceptable.
It's awful. Really really bad. It's as if the last 20 years of comedy didn't occur. I sat open-jawed (pretty much literally, there were certainly no facial movements on my part, such as a smile or god forbid a laugh) watching it the other night.
I'm amazed that Ms Saunders allowed her partner to stain her name and deserved reputation by association with that heap of shit. I recognise they're not going for any level of reality with the set-up (a cupboard under the stairs, you say?) but my god, you can't engender laughs without there being SOME basis in reality via characterisation.
I know ITV aren't known for quality laughs but I actually think they've outdone themselves by a country (yes, pun intended) mile. In all seriousness, for the first five minutes, I thought it was a vehicle of satire a la Andy Millman.
I've never been embarrassed for performers before this but I felt like petitioning ITV to pull the plug just to allow them to retreat to unemployment. The misery of no income amidst this impending credit crisis would be a definite improvement on having to continue in that behometh of bol***ks.
Robert Mugabe right now is funnier.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Richard Wells said:
Oh well i'll still watch it as it's certainly not as bad as you're making it out to be.
It's not great by any means either but still i've seen far worse.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, graham said:
I'm with Daktari. I felt embarrassed for the actors.
I don't expect much from ITV, but this was worse than pantomime!
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
I'm with Richard. Not great, but more than watchable in my book. Particularly in comparison to The Wall on BBC Three.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, David H said:
Just seen the preview for tonight. "Vernon takes his kids on holiday to Wales..........in winter." You just know how bad it's going to be.
Normally give new sitcoms three episodes and then give up, so it looks like it after tonight.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Sebastian Orange-News said:
Why are you all taking it so seriously. This is a traditional sitcom and therefore the humour is going to be pretty simple however I think the situation is good and Ade Edmonsons character. I the first couple of eps were a bit shit but I reckon it has quite a bit of potential and if it is given some time i reckon it could improve quite a bit. There are so many snobs on this forum.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Daktari said:
Is it snobbish to think something's complete rubbish?
I'm not against a more 'traditional' feel to a sitcom but I'm not sure why I should settle for no laughs. It is possible to combine tradition with quality. That isn't me being aloof about the form, it's me being aloof about something that offends me it's so bad. Ergo, no snobbishness.
"There are so many aloof people on this forum." - NOW you're talking. 
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Richard Wells said:
^^^^
But just because you don't find it funny, it doesn't mean nobody else will.
I mean if you didn't find it funny at all then yea you could say it's the poor quality of the writing etc or maybe it's you and you're too hard to please or something.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, roscoff said:
I'm with Daktari. It's rubbish imo. But it's only an opinion. I won't come round your house and water the daisies if you like it. Or maybe I will 
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, jacparov said:
I like this, it's basic silly humour, which is fine by me. Nothing funnier than someone being hit by a brick in my opinion.
it's not the best sitcom in the world, but it isn't as bad as angelo's.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Not a brilliant episode. Amused me in a couple of places, and a reasonable 'lesson' at the end, but I suspect I shall be the only one with a single positive word to say about it.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, zooo said:
I actually prefered that one to the last episode. The first half, anyway.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Really? I am actually rather surprised.
The Chinese (?) guy was better this week. I think his own kids get a bit more annoying in each episode though.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Leevil said:
Haven't even bothered with this show (or thread), as I'm not a fan of Ade Edmondson.
Is he still playing the same character he always plays?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
I'm not particularly a fan either. Not that I dislike him, I just have no particular opinion either way. And no, it's not the same character. Still loves the old punk scene though.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Leevil said:
I liked Eddie and Vivian, but I'm not really interested in seeing Ade anywhere else. But Rik... 
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, zooo said:
I love Rik and Ade. Can't they do a TV show together?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, hotzappa11 said:
I still like the Chinese guy. "Can you let me in I thought I saw a shark." "Dont worry it was just a big poo." I lol'ed at that. Oh, my juvenile humour.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
As did I, as did I.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, David H said:
Utterly, utterly feeble. It's on its last legs after THREE episodes. The Chinese lad's lines get longer and because the audience starts laughing at the start of 'em you can't hear the rest of what he's saying. Not that I'd want to. And what's the point of his stern look before becoming jokey? He's done it a few times now.
The kids are unbearable and for the life of me I can't see what the point of the best friend is. And the scene in the pub with the bully was excruciating.
It looks like a first draft and nobody's bothered to change it. To think Edmondson was writing this in one room and Saunders was writing Jam and Jerusalem in another. Dear God!
Watched an episode of Frasier the other day. Great plot, set-ups, running gags, dry humour. A million miles away from this.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, roscoff said:
You're comparing class with crass David H so Teenage Kicks has no chance in that league.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Sebastian Orange-News said:
I think last night episode was the worst one. I think when it gets recommisioned for a second series they should get rid of the chinese guy just because he is there to be a racial stereotype and not to be a character. However i still think the general idea of it being about a loser Dad is very good and there have been some funny moments and so to totaly dismiss it as unfunny is snobbish.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, zooo said:
Saw Ade on that One Show thing yesterday.
I think he said he knew he'd become the comedy establishment and he hated himself!
Bless him.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
I saw that too. Well, the general interview anyway. The bit where they were talking about what Jennifer would watch was just, well, awful. He looked so uncomfortable!
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Daktari said:
Quote: Sebastian Orange-News @ April 12 2008, 12:30 PM BSTI think last night episode was the worst one. I think when it gets recommisioned for a second series they should get rid of the chinese guy just because he is there to be a racial stereotype and not to be a character. However i still think the general idea of it being about a loser Dad is very good and there have been some funny moments and so to totaly dismiss it as unfunny is snobbish.
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And you're back with the 'snobbish' thing.....
That would be related to class wouldn't it? Granted it makes you laugh - I'm not trying to deny you that right. (Although if I had the Power Of Commissioning I would deny you - it would be for the greater good.)
What I'm objecting to is the sheer feebleness of the gags, the crassness of the performances and the offensiveness of the stereotyping. That's called having a sense of taste - nothing elitist about that, it's what informs quality.
To use you Sebastian (may I?) as an extravagantly tenuous example - if you were to walk in a pile of dog shit in the street I would laugh. THAT doesn't make dog shit funny.
Lots of people watch Dancing On Ice - that doesn't mean those competitors shouldn't be shot.
Pop Idol is hugely popular and allows people to parade their average ability - it must be really good then.
My Family exists.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, zooo said:
Quote: Aaron @ April 12 2008, 12:44 PM BSTI saw that too. Well, the general interview anyway. The bit where they were talking about what Jennifer would watch was just, well, awful. He looked so uncomfortable!
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Yes! But those crap interviewers would make anyone uncomfortable, to be fair.
Talk about stilted. Jesus.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Quote: zooo @ April 12 2008, 1:10 PM BSTYes! But those crap interviewers would make anyone uncomfortable, to be fair.
Talk about stilted. Jesus.
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Very true, very true. The annoying Irish bint and the single guy who seems to feel the need to specify that he is not a gay. Well I think that's him anyway.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, zooo said:
Ah yes, gay as christmas is old Colin Jackson, bless him.
(allegedly.)
(etc.)
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Martin Holmes said:
Saw about 10 minutes of this the other night, absolutely awful, embarrassing even, so cheesey and old fashioned. Why Ade? Why?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Quote: zooo @ April 12 2008, 1:23 PM BSTAh yes, gay as christmas is old Colin Jackson, bless him.
(allegedly.)
(etc.)
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Camp as Butlins?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Jack Massey said:
I like the Chinese guy and I think that saying he should be written out because he is a racial stereotype is a bit of a silly, rash comment to make. The Chinese guy isn't being racially abused because of his ethnicity so for me there is no problem. It would be sad if what you suggest Sebastian was to happen. Look at Eric Chappels 'Only When I Laugh' The staff Nurse, Gupte from Delhi was not in later episodes because he was seen as a stereotype. Very sad, as Gupte was also a very funny charactor and I'm sure that the actor Derrick Branche who played him would have been very dissapointed being written out because of stupid complaints. Also, how many Chinese people do you see in sitcoms. A few (Burt Kwoak- Entwistle- Last of the Summer Wine) but hardly any. Anyway, I thought last nights episode was the best one so far. Extremely funny. Last weeks was a bit of a dissapointment- but loved this weeks one.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Treenifer said:
I think most of this general hatred of this sitcom is just because people expect something so much better than this bland thing from Edmonson.
What's really annoying me, however, isn't so much the script but the fact I can't understand what drove Edmonson to write this. I know he said that it was because of his kids, but I don't believe that for a second. At least with Bottom and Young ones he looked like he was doing it just for fun. I hope this isn't just because he wanted to be on TV again.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Badge said:
I think I'm right (Aaron - help!) in saying it was originally a radio show. So perhaps Ade E didn't write it as a self-serving TV opportunity.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, zooo said:
It was radio first!
But he wanted it to be TV, he just couldn't get anyone to make it at first.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Badge said:
Quote: zooo @ April 12 2008, 9:15 PM BSTIt was radio first!
But he wanted it to be TV, he just couldn't get anyone to make it at first.
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The radio show must have been dynamite
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, zooo said:
Leave him aloooone.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Badge said:
Quote: zooo @ April 12 2008, 9:18 PM BSTLeave him aloooone.
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I'm not being personal!
All I've said is I thought the one-and-a-half episodes I watched were lame beyond belief. I'm not commenting on it any more (except to say I wasn't being personal)
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Richard Wells said:
Well i've just watched last night's episode and I liked it but even I dunno why.
I guess because it's just simple, basic humour and I'm a simple guy (no jokes please lol) I guess.
Maybe Aaron can explain better as I think he likes it a little aswell.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
I think that's it really. It's just simple humour that isn't ashamed to be simple humour. It's not trying to be clever and failing. It's just being funny, being what it is, with no intention of being anything else.
With the snobbery some members here show, I'm surprised Bottom isn't roundly hated - but it's long established that most members have so many double standards that their posts have no consequence on the real world.
Anyway.
Yeah, it is what it is. It's not trying to be clever, and then failing to do so. It's just being funny - and if that's not your particular sense of humour, then that's not your sense of humour. That is why we like it, but can't quite work out why!
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Badge said:
Quote: Aaron @ April 12 2008, 10:07 PM BSTI think that's it really. It's just simple humour that isn't ashamed to be simple humour. It's not trying to be clever and failing. It's just being funny, being what it is, with no intention of being anything else.
With the snobbery some members here show, I'm surprised Bottom isn't roundly hated - but it's long established that most members have so many double standards that their posts have no consequence on the real world.
Anyway.
Yeah, it is what it is. It's not trying to be clever, and then failing to do so. It's just being funny - and if that's not your particular sense of humour, then that's not your sense of humour. That is why we like it, but can't quite work out why!
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Well... I wasn't going to post any more, except Aaron has goaded me into it.
It isn't about snobbery. In fact there seems to be some sort of inverted snobbery going on in your posts that suggests mainstream (for want of a better description) is always best. Some people (yourself included, in fact) are capable of liking what they like and not liking what they don't like. Simple as that. It's a shame you have to assume some sort of snobbery exists in those who don't always like the offerings that mainstream TV puts up. And given that there's fair agreement that most new TV comedy isn't that good it's hardly a surprise that most new TV comedy gets a less than positive response on here, is it?
I agree with your final point: if you find it funny and enjoy it I am very happy with that. Please do me the same service and respect my opinion if I don't enjoy it.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
I'm not disrespecting anyone's opinion. If you like a show, you like it. If you don't, then you don't. You happen to not like Teenage Kicks, which is fine.
Regarding 'inverted snobbery', I generally prefer what is considered 'mainstream', yes. I make no secret of that. But I don't insist - or certainly don't mean to appear to insist - that it is always best, particularly given the very individual nature of comedy.
As for snobbery, I'm sticking by that in this case. If it had been anyone but those two in Bottom, I have little doubt that it would be hated.
In summary: each to their own.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Badge said:
Each to their own, indeed.
I don't like Bottom either, btw.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, David Chapman said:
I think Bottom was a bit over the top (if that's possible) following on from the cartoon originality of the Young Ones.
And following that you expect Teenage Kicks to just be a bit more original.
The main thing about the criticism is that most of that comes from those of us who aspire to be writers. Consequently we feel that things should be better than we could produce.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Badge said:
I just want things to be better than what's generally being produced. It doesn't matter if you're a writer, would-be writer or whatever. We're all viewers when we watch stuff, and we want things to be good, don't we?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, David Chapman said:
I think maybe we're a bit ultra-crtitical.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Badge said:
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But it's a sitcom forum! What do people expect?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, swerytd said:
I still quite like it, though I thought this third episode was the poorest so far.
Yes, it was a radio show first but the radio show was much better in my opinion. Obviously it missed out a lot of the slapstick and the actors were much, *much* better but they couldn't use the same actor/actress as the radio as they were in their 30s, which obviously wouldn't have worked for their 'on-screen' age.
The Chinese bloke was in the radio version and, to me personally, is the funniest element of the show. The guy's a genius (especially in the radio version!)
Dan
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, David Chapman said:
Quote: swerytd @ April 13 2008, 12:08 AM BST
The Chinese bloke was in the radio version and, to me personally, is the funniest element of the show. The guy's a genius (especially in the radio version!)
Dan
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Strange they're not accused of racism.
In the days of Right-on Elton he'd have criticised it mercilessly.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Treenifer said:
The Chinese guy was actually really good in the radio show, as I did go to see an episode be recorded live. The weirdest thing was, however, that he actually puts on that accent. When we saw the radio recording, he was the one who did the 'traditionally British' "Teenage kicks starred Ade Edmon..." blah at the end of the show.
I don't think it's racist, but I don't think it's funny either.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Quote: David Chapman @ April 12 2008, 10:57 PM BSTThe main thing about the criticism is that most of that comes from those of us who aspire to be writers. Consequently we feel that things should be better than we think that we could produce.
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Quote: David Chapman @ April 12 2008, 11:15 PM BSTI think maybe we're a bit ultra-crtitical.
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I agree.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, graham said:
Quote: David Chapman @ April 12 2008, 10:57 PM BSTThe main thing about the criticism is that most of that comes from those of us who aspire to be writers. Consequently we feel that things should be better than we could produce.
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Actually, that's the one thing I like about it! I watch rubbish like this and think, "Wow - there's hope for me, after all!"
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, swerytd said:
Quote: graham @ April 13 2008, 10:01 AM BSTActually, that's the one thing I like about it! I watch rubbish like this and think, "Wow - there's hope for me, after all!"
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Unfortunately, I watch a lot of stuff that I consider rubbish and sigh, thinking "It's just one big boys' club"...
Dan
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, David Chapman said:
Quote: swerytd @ April 13 2008, 12:00 PM BSTUnfortunately, I watch a lot of stuff that I consider rubbish and sigh, thinking "It's just one big boys' club"...
Dan
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Let's just keep hammering at all the doors then.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, jdubya said:
in the latest episode that whole 'don't cross this line' scene was lifted wholesale from a Carry On film I think.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Deferenz said:
As much as I wanted to like Teenage Kicks, it's just plain bad. I've watched the first three episodes and I can find nothing redeeming about it.
Def.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Mildred said:
Absolute garbage! Puerile jokes similar to the drivel watched by my grandson on Nickleodeon. A complete insult to the intelligence. About as funny as a bad case of haemorrhoids. In fact it's a long time since I have seen anything quite so bad.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, graham said:
I tried watching it again on Friday.
I couldn't get through more than the first 5 minutes. I was genuinely embarrassed for them. Ade can't really believe that it's funny.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Martin Holmes said:
Yeah saw a bit again the other night, just really really bad. I don't think anyone is been "ultra-critical" or snobby, it really is embarrassing and unfunny. And no I wasn't a fan of Bottom and I'm not really that big a fan of The Young Ones, I do like the old Comic Strip Presents..though.
And I don't 'hate mainstream comedy' either. Not Going Out is one of my favourite sitcoms of recent times and that is mainstream, but with NGO it is actually funny, Teenage Kicks however is just tripe.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, David Chapman said:
I thought I know that riff.
Incendiary Device by Johnny Moped. I don't think I've heard that for about 25 years.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Rob B said:
Not sure why everyone seems so down on this. It has some decent lines, and definitely isn't awful. Yeah there's only one plot all about Ade, and it's normally pretty weak, and crosses the line of believable. The Chinese guy is good, but under used, and the girl just can't act comedy.
However isn't it just Ab Fab with Ade instead of Jennifer though. Juxtaposition with kids and adults.
But it has some decent laughs, and given some of the crap we've been served up with no laughs at all it deserves some credit.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Nick said:
Unfortunately I disagree as I think that it is awful and is basically unwatchable.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Bam! said:
In this week's episode they said David(AKA "Chinese guy") pays most of the rent. But wasn't it established in the work episode that there Mum bought the house?
Is there Mum making them pay rent?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Jack Massey said:
Friday's one a bit of a dissapointment. I like Ade, and the Chinese guy, but hate his kids. It's the poor ITV version of My Family. Rather like 'Monty Python' and 'The Goodies'
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, zooo said:
I think it's entirely watchable. And mostly enjoyable.
But it's nowhere near as good as the early series of Ab Fab were.
I shouldn't think Ade does either. But there's nothing wrong with it.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Quote: Bam! @ April 23 2008, 5:17 PM BSTIn this week's episode they said David(AKA "Chinese guy") pays most of the rent. But wasn't it established in the work episode that there Mum bought the house?
Is there Mum making them pay rent?
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Yes and yes.
(their*)
Quote: Jack Massey @ April 23 2008, 6:17 PM BSTI like Ade, and the Chinese guy, but hate his kids.
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Ditto.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Bam! said:
Quote: Aaron @ April 23 2008, 8:13 PM BSTYes and yes.
(their*)
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I feel put in my place.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
*shakes fist in the air in a menacing fashion*
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Seefacts said:
Caught some of this show last night. God, it was terrible.
Really cliched, pedestrian stuff.
Though good to hear Edmondson still does that kind of breathy 'Eh' noise when putting effort into something, like he did on Bottom.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, David Chapman said:
It is a bit lame I know and why am I watching it?
The punk riffs do bring back memories though - Automatic Lover and Babylon's Burning.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, swerytd said:
It's silly but still makes me laugh. Some of the one-liners are good!
Dan
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Rob B said:
Not sure why everyone hates this so much. Yeah it is Bottom-lite and the two kids are awful, but its still funnier that Gavin and Stacey
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, swerytd said:
I don't think 'Millie''s so awful -- she's overacting a bit (probably made to watch Bottom DVDs and forced to act like Rik Mayall. 'Max' is poor though -- he comes across as an evil twat. When Spencer Brown played him in the radio version, he came across as a sort of idiot-savant which was much better.
Johnathan Chan-Pensely is the best character in the show. How can people not like him?
BTW I like the suggestion it's Bottom-lite. Like Bottom is on Radio 4 or something!
Dan
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, brenton davies said:
I like the show ha ha.
Edited by Aaron.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Hi Brenton, welcome to the site. But please remember to use capitals in your posts in future!
Looks like those of us who like the show are in quite the minority.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Bam! said:
An episode airs and 3 hours later no one has commented. That's not a good sign.
I missed the first 10 minutes but tonights episode wasn't bad for this sitcom anyway. The characters of the non Ade Edminson characters are starting to show. But I still don't like the son he acts like a t*t and had no redeeming qualitys unlike the daughter who seemsa to care for her Dad. The friend is the worst though, no character and the actor who plays him is terible at comedy.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, hotzappa11 said:
"Sad bastard, shy bastard, bald bastard, sad shy badly bastard," etc. I can't remember all of it but I thought that little bit was great.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Jack Massey said:
I'm trying to watch an episode of Teenage Kicks I missed a couple of weeks ago on ITV Catchup. I've selected the episode etc. but all I get are two adverts and Teenage Kicks doesn't seem to start. Do you know what I should do?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Badge said:
Quote: Jack Massey @ May 4 2008, 9:44 AM BSTI'm trying to watch an episode of Teenage Kicks I missed a couple of weeks ago on ITV Catchup. I've selected the episode etc. but all I get are two adverts and Teenage Kicks doesn't seem to start. Do you know what I should do?
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Thank the Lord?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, swerytd said:
Quote: Jack Massey @ May 4 2008, 9:44 AM BSTI'm trying to watch an episode of Teenage Kicks I missed a couple of weeks ago on ITV Catchup. I've selected the episode etc. but all I get are two adverts and Teenage Kicks doesn't seem to start. Do you know what I should do?
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ITV Catchup is a bit bollocks. I had trouble trying to watch stuff and nobody gives a shit apparently.
The thing I was watching eventually worked again when they redesigned the website, so try again next week. Sorry, I'm no more help than that.
Dan
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Spagett said:
How many episodes are there in this series. It seems to have been on for months.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Richard Wells said:
1 more to go.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, hotzappa11 said:
And it's on at the same time as Peepshow, grrrr. I'll probably watch Peepshow and used the itv catchup service.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Peep Show*
Teenage Kicks is repeated during the week. Peep Show probably is too, but I've not spotted it yet.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Richard Wells said:
So will it get a 2nd series.
I hope so just to piss some of you off even more lol.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, zooo said:
Anything that keeps Ade on my screen is good.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Richard Wells said:
I agree.
I really thought Teenage kicks was pretty good and i'll be sad to see it end.
Though I realise i'm in the minority there.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Quote: Richard Wells @ May 11 2008, 11:25 PM BSTSo will it get a 2nd series.
I hope so just to piss some of you off even more lol.
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I'd expect it will.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, chipolata said:
Quote: Aaron @ May 11 2008, 10:51 PM BSTPeep Show*
Teenage Kicks is repeated during the week. Peep Show probably is too, but I've not spotted it yet.
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Peep Show's repeated on E4 on Staturdays at nine. And I think it's repeated on Channel 4 the following Thursday at something like eleven thirty.
And will Teenage Kicks get a second series since this first one has haemoraged viewers?
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, swerytd said:
And there's a Channel 4+1 for Peep Show, so you can watch it an hour later... if you have access to that sort of thing.
Dan
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, Aaron said:
Quote: chipolata @ May 16 2008, 11:06 AM BSTAnd will Teenage Kicks get a second series since this first one has haemoraged viewers?
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Having been a successful radio series, I'd be surprised if they don't give it another go.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, chipolata said:
Was it a succesful radio series? It was on the radio, certainly.
But I too think they'll give it a go. I'm not sure Bennidorm got great viewing figures for series one, but they still give it a second go.
On Wednesday 31st December 1969 GMT at 7:00 PM GMT, NickTheDon said:
I find Teenage Kicks a bit cringeworthy to be honest.
I love Ade, but I don't think he's very good in this. His voice is a bit whiney.
I saw two recordings of the radio show, it was fairly decent. I liked them having Ben Elton in it just because it meant I got to see Adrian Edmonson and Ben Elton share a stage. Two of my comedy heroes, I probably had a colossal hard on.